Nation Visitation Discussion

[Revanrose6]

Nation Visitation Discussion​

My Concerns​

1. Players can visit to troll/cause problems and there is no easy way to allow the Nation Leader/Immigration Officer the ability to revoke the Visitation Permissions nor to remove that person from their server. Even the Moderators and Admins do not have the ability to forcibly put a Player back on their correct server. That is a Dev+ thing that I do not feel comfortable handing out. Further, even if they could move them back, there is, again, no easy way to make it possible for that person to have their Visitation Rights revoked.
2. You are 'Countries' or 'Nations' and, from an RP standpoint, should have the ability to control your borders. Doing this will revoke that ability completely.
3. I do not wish to have my Devs spend a lot of time setting this up, only for it to cause issues and everyone request it be undone. That is unfair to them and their time.

My Current Stance​

I get wanting to see others builds, be tourists, whatever, but, screenshots and screensharing exists. If we were to do this, we would likely charge you for 'tourism' after all, nothing in life is free. Again, it is incredibly difficult to do properly and there are a LOT of other things the Devs are working on. That being said, I know we have had multiple suggestions for this so I wanted to lay out my concerns and see if any of you have solutions that we cannot think of.

What I'm looking for​

1. Solutions
2. Reasons that are compelling enough to over come my concerns if there are no solutions.

 

[Pixel75]

I like the current system where only citizens can travel to each nation. It would be cool to have it where nations could allow travel in or deny it, but like you said that would probably be quite a bit of work for the developers.

 

[theman12143]

i think its fine we can give out visa's for nations and can just jail them for hours until a dev+ can get around to sending them back if they troll, personally if they troll they should wait in jail and then the immigration officers should revoke there visa's

 

[theman12143]

let mods approve visa's when people apply? and the immagration officer has to approve and when they go to another nation they have to follow the other nations laws if they break them then have to suffer the punishment from that nation or the nation they are from has to pay to free them (aka bailing them out)

 

[Revanrose6]

@theman12143 as I said in my statement there is no simple way for us to give just 1 person the access. Rn the easiest way is an all or nothing system.

 

[GoldenCactus_]

I think an application and visitation fee to Imperia would be a good way to monitor it. Obviously the price for visiting would be free for citizens, but colonist+ would be a flat rate that's significantly less than the immigration fee. Some pros of that would be that the cost to go would mitigate people going out to troll, as well as a consistent monitoring of who is going where. However this idea has some cons such as: how long are the players allowed to stay once they pay the visitation fee, what happens if the 'tourist' gets murdered on another nations soil, how consistently are we watching applications for visitations, etc. Maybe if someone is able to expand on this idea and make it more cohesive and practical?

 

[GoldenCactus_]

I think an application and visitation fee to Imperia would be a good way to monitor it. Obviously the price for visiting would be free for citizens, but colonist+ would be a flat rate that's significantly less than the immigration fee. Some pros of that would be that the cost to go would mitigate people going out to troll, as well as a consistent monitoring of who is going where. However this idea has some cons such as: how long are the players allowed to stay once they pay the visitation fee, what happens if the 'tourist' gets murdered on another nations soil, how consistently are we watching applications for visitations, etc. Maybe if someone is able to expand on this idea and make it more cohesive and practical?

Just realized my idea is similar to theman's, only difference is that my version would include a payment as well.

 

[MocaBear]

I think its not that bad at the moment... but maybe create a "traveler" role for those in other nations? or create an additional chat channel when a nation is created, that way there is nation chat.. then there is "name of nation" chat... that way you can still interact on a world by world basis with newbies.. but anyone with the "traveler" role or who hasnt been upgraded to colonist cannot join the "name of nation" chat. me personally ive been findin issues with them just being there to read/contribute/effect conversations in chat, not really greif etc.

 

[theman12143]

it would be good for the gambling community @Chundi_Jr i just know chundi is over the world for gambling and she really wants a casino

 

[theman12143]

but +1 i would love this to happen

 

[theman12143]

also good for international trade so u all don't have to do it and you can work on the important stuff? maybe idk throwing out ideas

 

[Revanrose6]

also good for international trade so u all don't have to do it and you can work on the important stuff? maybe idk throwing out ideas

This would have 0 baring whatsoever on international trade. Inventories do not move cross server and if they did the costs associated would have to be significantly higher

 

[Pab_Jr]

So in reference, We will not be doing a per player basis for something like this. It will become a all or none sort of situation. What I can look into as a possibility is restricting X nation from visiting X nation. If you are able to visit a nation You will be unable to break or interact with anything and be there solely to look at things.

@theman12143 @Unique_Beagle @GoldenCactus_ @PixelGuy75

 

[OlivierLenheim]

Would it be viable to give Nations a bi weekly day that they open their doors to tourists?

So say Nation1's days is a Friday. Every other Friday. People who apply via the forums to gain a 'temporary' visa for 24 hours, giving them access to Nation1.
They would be given a temporary role where they wouldn't be able to break, place anything.
These applications could be monitored and processed by the higher authorities.

This gives people a opportunity to look at other nations, along with also nations that would like to gain intel on other nations. With the downside of the application being public, so the Nations can monitor who is coming in as tourists.

 

[Pab_Jr]

Would it be viable to give Nations a bi weekly day that they open their doors to tourists?

So say Nation1's days is a Friday. Every other Friday. People who apply via the forums to gain a 'temporary' visa for 24 hours, giving them access to Nation1.
They would be given a temporary role where they wouldn't be able to break, place anything.
These applications could be monitored and processed by the higher authorities.

This gives people a opportunity to look at other nations, along with also nations that would like to gain intel on other nations. With the downside of the application being public, so the Nations can monitor who is coming in as tourists.

"So in reference, We will not be doing a per player basis for something like this. It will become a all or none sort of situation."

 

[BibbityJo]

If this is being considered, I think the only viable way to do it would be as @theman12143 and @GoldenCactus_ said; have visas that the immigration officers approve. I understand this is not something that can currently be supported, but this would be an ideal solution for a long term feature of the server. Obviously, visas could cost the tourist money (whether IMPS or IRL), potentially similar to towns where each additional visa costs a higher amount.

With this not being something that can be supported currently, I believe that you guys, specifically @Revanrose6 as the head of gameplay, need to work on something to help keep the nations in touch. The nation news is nice, but I honestly don't have time to read through these giant posts every day. I would love to see collaborative or competitive server events once a month or so, it could be something as simple as a spleef tournament. Thye lobby spawn is giant and has tons of room to do events and is rarely used; maybe a scavenger hunt could be created to make use of it, @Zedoker did a really nice maze on ECC. Additionally, a nation spotlight could be rotated weekly for a chance for the nations to really show off something their proud of, whether it's builds, a grinder, or some achievement.

 

[BibbityJo]

Just to clarify, basically what I'm saying is visitation would be great, but I know it's not in the cards. BUT, we NEED something that will help create a sense of community between the nations.

 

[Pab_Jr]

So here is the current stance/what we will be doing/looking into.

We will be allowing visitation to other nations in the FUTURE, I have quite a few things to do in order for this to function properly. I will not be going into specifics at the moment in how it will function at this time, and will inform you guys shortly prior to our official implementation of this. Thank you all for giving us your opinions and I hope we will set it up so everyone is happy.

I will state, that this will be an all or nothing sort of deal for the most part, we wont be setting it up so that only user XYZ can join but user ZYX cannot.

 

[lenuell]

bump

 

[Pab_Jr]

Any statement I made is no longer valid regarding this project and should be considered on hold until @Revanrose6 makes a statement saying otherwise.